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« on: May 04, 2011, 03:05:20 PM »

I'm sure all of the RA motorheads are eagerly awaiting the Turkish Grand Prix this weekend.  Only track with a four-apex turn, and some sweet elevation changes.  Don't get me wrong, it's no Nordschleife or Spa, but it is one of the better new tracks.

I hope Ferrari can find something and get up there and duel with RedBull and McLaren.
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2011, 03:54:51 PM »

what is a four apex turn? sounds like a 360
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2011, 04:11:16 PM »

what is a four apex turn? sounds like a 360

An apex doesn't have to be a 90 degree turn.  Some are more, some are less.  An apex is simply a place where you have to alter the steering angle of the car, leading to a transfer of weight.

Turn eight, where I've red-marked the four apexes is fairly unique.  A key reason why I like F1 is that it includes the challenge of managing acceleration and braking while also managing weight transfer (lateral Gs) at average speeds that are often 130mph or more.  Top end around 200mph but the cars could do far more.  Aerodynamics rules + limits to the lengths of straights and the constant braking and re-acceleration keep them from maxing.

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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2011, 04:27:30 PM »

thank you

sounds much more interesting that neck car
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2011, 07:24:18 PM »

I never quite got into the F1 deal, I do watch the IndyCar series just to see Danica take a good car and finish 25th.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2011, 07:35:57 PM »

I never quite got into the F1 deal, I do watch the IndyCar series just to see Danica take a good car and finish 25th.

They are definitely doing their best to destroy the sport by screwing around with the tech rules.  But I love true racing circuits with a variety of corners in both directions, and that's all F1 races.  Same reason I watch LeMans too.

Indy does too much oval, which is one of many reasons I have no interest in NASCAR.  About the only similarity technically-speaking between Indy and F1 is that they are open wheel cars that look similar to the casual observer.  Even with the jacked up rules limitations an F1 car can do things no other car can (drag can match/exceed fore-aft g-forces but of course if you have lateral then something has gone very wrong).

This means that the drivers are asked to bear huge g-forces in different directions.  They can pull 5-6g braking and almost the same laterally in the high speed corners.  They easily pull 1.5 accelerating and would be more if allowed.

It's not for everyone.  They have too much aero that inhibits passing.  You have to like the technology as much as the driving.  And the team strategy around tire usage.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 07:39:09 PM »

I liked when the neckcar drivers and their cars were on curved tracks

forget what it was called.  mark martin was really good at it
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 07:40:40 PM »

They are definitely doing their best to destroy the sport by screwing around with the tech rules.  But I love true racing circuits with a variety of corners in both directions, and that's all F1 races.  Same reason I watch LeMans too.

Indy does too much oval, which is one of many reasons I have no interest in NASCAR.  About the only similarity technically-speaking between Indy and F1 is that they are open wheel cars that look similar to the casual observer.  Even with the jacked up rules limitations an F1 car can do things no other car can (drag can match/exceed fore-aft g-forces but of course if you have lateral then something has gone very wrong).

This means that the drivers are asked to bear huge g-forces in different directions.  They can pull 5-6g braking and almost the same laterally in the high speed corners.  They easily pull 1.5 accelerating and would be more if allowed.

It's not for everyone.  They have too much aero that inhibits passing.  You have to like the technology as much as the driving.  And the team strategy around tire usage.
IndyCar is the only live raccing I havent yet seen that I want to. I might go to Dallas and watch them this year.
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 08:49:19 PM »

Any racing is definitely better live, stunna.

Nole, they just call those road courses.  And half of the NASCAR field is so bad at it that they bring in one-off drivers.  Ringers, if you will, normally from some form of sports car racing.  Ron Fellows who for so long drove a GTS Corvette in LeMans series was a common NASCAR road course driver.
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 08:53:42 PM »

IROC, knew i would remember.

they ran a couple a year with winston cup drivers
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2011, 08:04:10 AM »

I'm sure all of the RA motorheads are eagerly awaiting the Turkish Grand Prix this weekend.  Only track with a four-apex turn, and some sweet elevation changes.  Don't get me wrong, it's no Nordschleife or Spa, but it is one of the better new tracks.

I hope Ferrari can find something and get up there and duel with RedBull and McLaren.

The Turkish GP is going to be interesting.  Turn 8 is going to shred those new Pirelli tires.  We may have more pit stops at this race than any other this season because of that one turn alone.  Ferrari has a lot of upgrades coming for this race, so we should see some improvement out of them.

Forza Ferrari!!!

Thanks for starting a Formula One thread.  punk
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2011, 08:11:45 AM »

IROC, knew i would remember.

they ran a couple a year with winston cup drivers

I used to really enjoy IROC.  They would bring in drivers from several different types of racing and put them in the same cars.  That was fun to watch.

I also used to enjoy Trans Am racing back in the day.  They had very few rules and drove the crap out of those cars.  Paul Newman used to drive in that and drove in it until he was 70 years old.  How the hell he did that I don't know cause those cars had crazy heavy clutches.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2011, 10:06:21 AM »

And then the family that owns NASCAR took over Trans Am and they decided to start adding neat things like a "competition yellow" where they'd bunch everyone up.  I absolutely hate fake, manufactured competition.  If a dude is stomping the competition on a given day, let him stomp.  The other teams and drivers need to get better.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2011, 10:24:21 AM »

I absolutely agree.  They've destroyed a lot of racing that way.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2011, 07:48:03 AM »

Turkey - Practice 1 - Wet Track

Pos.   Driver   Team   Time   Laps
1   Fernando Alonso   Ferrari   01:38.7   13
2   Nico Rosberg   Mercedes Grand Prix   01:40.1   14
3   Michael Schumacher   Mercedes Grand Prix   01:40.1   18
4   Nick Heidfeld   Renault   01:40.3   9
5   Vitaly Petrov   Renault   01:40.4   10
6   Kamui Kobayashi   Sauber   01:40.4   16
7   Felipe Massa   Ferrari   01:40.7   14
8   Daniel Ricciardo   Scuderia Toro Rosso   01:41.1   18
9   Sebastien Buemi   Scuderia Toro Rosso   01:41.2   22
10   Nico Hulkenberg   Force India F1   01:41.3   16
11   Mark Webber   Red Bull   01:42.6   5
12   Pastor Maldonado   Williams   01:42.6   7
13   Paul di Resta   Force India F1   01:43.5   11
14   Rubens Barrichello   Williams   01:43.9   5
15   Jarno Trulli   Lotus F1   01:44.0   6
16   Vitantonio Liuzzi   HRT F1 Team   01:44.8   20
17   Sebastian Vettel   Red Bull   01:45.0   4
18   Timo Glock   Virgin Racing   01:45.2   15
19   Jerome d` Ambrosio   Virgin Racing   01:45.2   11
20   Narain Karthikeyan   HRT F1 Team   01:48.5   8
21   Karun Chandhok   Lotus F1   01:51.7   6
22   Sergio Perez   Sauber   01:55.8   13
23   Jenson Button   McLaren   02:00.7   4
24   Lewis Hamilton   McLaren   no time   1

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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2011, 07:51:08 AM »

Turkey - Practice 2 - Dry Track

Pos.   Driver   Team   Time   Laps
1   Jenson Button   McLaren   01:26.5   26
2   Nico Rosberg   Mercedes Grand Prix   01:26.5   29
3   Lewis Hamilton   McLaren   01:27.0   31
4   Michael Schumacher   Mercedes Grand Prix   01:27.1   21
5   Mark Webber   Red Bull   01:27.1   31
6   Felipe Massa   Ferrari   01:27.3   37
7   Vitaly Petrov   Renault   01:27.5   37
8   Paul di Resta   Force India F1   01:27.7   37
9   Sergio Perez   Sauber   01:27.8   32
10   Adrian Sutil   Force India F1   01:28.1   37
11   Fernando Alonso   Ferrari   01:28.1   27
12   Sebastien Buemi   Scuderia Toro Rosso   01:28.2   36
13   Nick Heidfeld   Renault   01:28.5   35
14   Jaime Alguersuari   Scuderia Toro Rosso   01:28.8   32
15   Pastor Maldonado   Williams   01:28.8   19
16   Rubens Barrichello   Williams   01:28.9   20
17   Jarno Trulli   Lotus F1   01:29.4   39
18   Kamui Kobayashi   Sauber   01:29.6   27
19   Heikki Kovalainen   Lotus F1   01:30.3   37
20   Jerome d` Ambrosio   Virgin Racing   01:31.0   28
21   Timo Glock   Virgin Racing   01:31.2   22
22   Narain Karthikeyan   HRT F1 Team   01:31.3   29
23   Vitantonio Liuzzi   HRT F1 Team   01:32.0   30
24   Sebastian Vettel   Red Bull   no time   

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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2011, 10:27:24 AM »

That's another thing I love about F1.  They'll actually keep racing in the rain.  Put the right tires on and go.

Thanks for the updates.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2011, 12:52:46 PM »

Turkey - Qualifying

Pos.    Driver   Team   Time   Laps
1.   Sebastian Vettel   Red Bull   01:25.049   12
2.   Mark Webber   Red Bull   01:25.454   10
3.   Nico Rosberg   Mercedes Grand Prix   01:25.574   15
4.   Lewis Hamilton   McLaren   01:25.595   13
5.   Fernando Alonso   Ferrari   01:25.851   16
6.   Jenson Button   McLaren   01:25.982   14
7.   Vitaly Petrov   Renault   01:26.296   15
8.   Michael Schumacher   Mercedes Grand Prix   01:26.646   13
9.   Nick Heidfeld   Renault   01:26.659   13
10.   Felipe Massa   Ferrari   no time   16
11.   Rubens Barrichello   Williams   01:26.764   10
12.   Adrian Sutil   Force India F1   01:27.027   14
13.   Paul di Resta   Force India F1   01:27.145   11
14.   Pastor Maldonado   Williams   01:27.236   14
15.   Sergio Perez   Sauber   01:27.244   11
16.   Sebastien Buemi   Scuderia Toro Rosso   01:27.255   9
17.   Jaime Alguersuari   Scuderia Toro Rosso   01:27.572   7
18.   Heikki Kovalainen   Lotus F1   01:28.780   8
19.   Jarno Trulli   Lotus F1   01:29.673   8
20.   Jerome d` Ambrosio   Virgin Racing   01:30.445   7
21.   Vitantonio Liuzzi   HRT F1 Team   01:30.692   8
22.   Timo Glock   Virgin Racing   01:30.813   8
23.   Narain Karthikeyan   HRT F1 Team   01:31.564   2
24.   Kamui Kobayashi   Sauber   no time

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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2011, 08:30:42 AM »

That was officially the lamest intro ever.  Over the top fake narrated comic book?  Srsly?  To borrow a favorite phrase from somebody I know, it reeked of effort.
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2011, 08:39:03 AM »

The only thing that I can take away from that race is finally Ferrari is challenging RBR.  Hopefully there will actually be a battle for the championship this year.  The bad part is that McLaren looked less competitive...ok, that's not really bad.   Wink

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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2011, 09:18:58 AM »

I can live with McLaren having problems.  It was sad to see Alonso's last stint give Webber the chance to steal 2nd place.  Barring something amazing happening, I think the constructor's race is about out of reach.  There are still enough grands prix that a driver other than Vettel could still win, but their team is so strong I think they repeat.
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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2011, 08:22:38 AM »

Hamilton should have been given a black flag for the way he drove at Monaco.  If Schumi had caused three wrecks he would have been given one. 
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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2011, 12:03:48 PM »

Well...it looks like they gave him a whopping 20 second penalty for the last wreck that he caused.  It didn't change his race position, so what's the point?  Oh, he's also bitching about it saying they did it because he's black.  I'm not kidding, he actually said that.  puke
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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2011, 03:09:59 PM »

He does win the award for being the biggest whiner and best blamer of others in F1...and that's saying something.  And he was definitely just jamming his car wherever he wanted; absolutely no elegance or planning to his ill-advised 'passing' attempts.

I wish we could have found out how the last six laps would have unfolded with Vettel trying to nurse those ancient tires to the end.  I don't know if Alonso or Button could have made a pass or not, but it would've have been great to see.  Those last five laps with everyone on fresh rubber were really pretty lame.
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« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2011, 03:13:42 PM »

So he said this today too: "Iíll just keep my mouth shut and try and enjoy the rest of the season..."

Yeah, that's not going to happen.
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